Newcomer's Class, CONNECT BY AGE This expression continues today, as people see in Revelation a Jesus who will come back with the sword and spread his vengeance. At last, he hit upon a plan. Our culture is fixated on things that might end our existence. But God does see all that is going on, and as one who has also seen but a very small glimpse of what He sees every moment in the lives of animals, it most definitely breaks the Saviors heart. “I have never eaten anything that is not pure and ‘clean.’” 15 The voice spoke to him a second time. Thank you, Greg, of course me here, the forever animal welfarists, and I’m always grateful (elated even, and love the passion in which you deliver these types of messages) when you draw animals into the message and into God’s Word and our theology, into our sight as that for which we also need to be daily mindful of!!! 9 They sing a new song: for you were slaughtered and by your blood you ransomed for God. Just Google the infamous – “Hatchery Horrors: Video Shows No Mercy for Baby Chicks…” and we can see what they’re doing! It's because they draw a stark contrast to each other. Many people see Jesus as coming back to this Earth as a roaring lion that will seek its vengeance upon our enemies. And more so the memory of this dream comes to my mind. Tiny Home Project In the Ancient Near East. 65+, CONNECT BY INTEREST This way of reading Revelation freed me from a lot of fear; so I am grateful that you are sharing these insight, even if unpopular, with others. I'm Chloe the interweb nymph, I made a Facebook profile for all my lovers out there so you can keep up with whats going on in my life, on and off cam 3 ! Prayer Audio File "LION AND THE LAMB" in the KJV Bible. It was a hot summer day. In fact, the power of God is best expressed by a slain lamb on Calvary. Discipleship School, WOODLAND HILLS It shows that only one has the character to show God’s power in its true form, and it is the slain lamb. Again, not passing any judgment, I’ve just begun to learn about consumerism and the more I do learn about it, the more urgent I sense the topic is for all of us to understand! Yes, there are numerous grotesque and horrific practices, like you say. Seems pretty damn simple, lions do the eating, lambs get eaten. The Lion and the Lamb both refer to Jesus Christ. How many lions does it take to kill a lamb? Adoption "LION AND THE LAMB" in the KJV Bible. * Paul McCartney said “If slaughterhouses had glass walls, we would all be vegetarian.” CAFO’s should have glass walls, we’d be vegetarian before they made it to slaughter….. Paul tells us to “put on love above all else.” Col 3:14. Those who don’t eat meat do it to honor the Lord. But the lamb tried to refute the accusation that he was taking wafer from downstream. Because of the well-known characteristics of lions, they were of special interest to a broad spectrum of people across the ancient Near East and Africa.1 Due to the lion’s power and boldness, lions were often hunted for sport, especially by the Assyrian kings.2 Some captured lions were even kept in captivity (cf. Your email address will not be published. 13 Then a voice told him, “Get up, Peter. Hide Extended Summary. You know Paul taught that he did not want people to get all hooked up over and in arguments about food. The lion accused that the lamb was disturbing him by mudding water. There are dozens of other even more vile examples of man’s abuse of the “created order” at the touch of a button. I guess what I’m trying to get at is that what Paul was saying all along in these pages was really about doing what is loving and ethical. There he saw something that looked like a large sheet. Injuries sustained by two Army rangers behind enemy lines in Afghanistan set off a sequence of events involving a congressman, a journalist and a professor. I will continue to watch his series on Revelation and pray for discernment. It has given me hope, freedom and purpose I never could have imagined possible. Trump doesn’t know from niceties when he has a job to do or a deadline to meet. Now, in quoting these passages I’m not suggesting that anyone is “weak” or that “anything goes” that squirms or moves – some things are just plain disgusting to considering eating like “Svio”- boiled sheep’s head or “Ukha”- fish head soup – Ha! I scanned each person I saw for clothing that might hide a gun. I recently sat at dinner with my girl in a trendy place in the Tulsa area and looked around. They give thanks to God. 9 It was about noon the next day. There are too many Christians that have been mislead on this subject and many more. I am in complete agreement with you that so much of the meatpacking & processing industry today and in the past, is saturated with grotesque and horrific practices. How many lions does it take to kill a lamb? What do you say about Genesis 9:3? Transcript, 5 Then I saw in the right hand of the one seated on the throne a scroll written on the inside and on the back, sealed with seven seals; 2 and I saw a mighty angel proclaiming with a loud voice, “Who is worthy to open the scroll and break its seals?” 3 And no one in heaven or on earth or under the earth was able to open the scroll or to look into it. He wanted something to eat. At the touch of a button one can find them. Emergency Assistance 17 And their word will eat as doth a canker; of whom is Hymanaeus and Philetus; Moral of the story: ‘Any excuse is good enough for a wicked for a wicked person.’, Collection Centre of Standard Chartered Bank, Drugs Revolution and Development of Penicillin. Worship Set Lists Not, at least, according to game theory. If it reared up against me, I would grab it by its fur, strike it down, and kill it.… When the angel killed the first born in Egypt it was the lambs blood they covered the door with so that the angel would pass over them. Daycare The answer isn't as straightforward as you might think. There are times throughout history where we see an apocalyptic fever that runs amok. Hollywood has many movies depicting disasters, viruses, and other ways that the world might end. 6:7).3 Indeed, The “ keeping of lions in captivity in ancient Mesopotamia is well attested in in the inscriptions and stone reliefs of the Assyrian kings, who used to l… Can someone help me. The answer isn’t as straightforward as you might think. All Rights Reserved. Come Up Here, I Want to Show You Something | mutteringheart, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgMWqAuQDKs. Hi Dave, no, I don’t think we will. The message is that we should, in all times, refuse to conform to our Babylon. Directed by Robert Redford. email@example.com. Food Shelf New Heavens/New Earth or Millennial Kingdom, we will eat meat of any kind? The Lion Will Lie Down With The Lamb. Take a moment and look into the eyes of the animals you are eating, look at how they are being *raised. 8 When he had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell before the Lamb, each holding a harp and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints. The Lamb represents his coming as a humble God and being led to slaughter willingly for us. The men were on their journey and were approaching the city. Like you I struggled to read Revelation for years, always seeing miss-speculation and Jesus so contradictory to the Jesus of the gospels. The images of the lion and the lamb are well known in the bible. On a practical note: There is always going to be a debate in this area I think…as much as I wish it weren’t so at times and the peaceable kingdom were already here…for the sake of those who are tortured, not for mine. Lauren. Which might imply that as one reads further, it contains the names of those martyred and eternally forgiven on it – Rev 5: 9 & 10 (?). Funerals Jesus paid the price in blood for us which no man could have ever done. “What Jesus actually did in that situation is irrelevant when we understand His divinity and purpose; when we realise what happened at the Fall and the dreadful effect this had upon the whole creation.”. It also had reptiles of the earth and birds of the air. We must trust in the power of the lamb and not the lion. “Every moving thing that is alive shall be food for you; I give all to you, as I gave the green plant.”, For me two sections of scripture come to mind whenever this subject pops up – Acts 10:9-16 and Romans 14:1-6. Compare Masaccio’s “Expulsion from the Garden of Eden” fresco cira: 1425, with recent Cherubim paintings online. © 2020 Woodland Hills Church, St Paul, MN. Youth Development "Thank you for this ministry! 16K likes. Edward does no want to kill Bella but her scent (to Vampires) is delicious and he could kill her at any second because the scent is that good to vampires. I am not at that time a Christian, I was nothing so to speak. I do support organizations such as the RSPCA and others. Just as you have stated that – “when we realise what happened at the Fall and the dreadful effect this had upon the whole creation.”, I can also confidently reiterate Matthew 15:11 – “What goes into someone’s mouth does not defile them, but what comes out of their mouth, that is what defiles them.”. So the question of mudding water on his part did not arise. Killing is an act of violence. The lion saw the lamb and wanted to devour him. But as we all know though, some people really get into eating these kind of things and I suppose the heart of the matter is simply cultural and what’s available at the time. The two are used comparatively quite often, as in "March comes in like a lion, and out like a lamb." The procession seemed to be in the sky, in the clouds. The lion saw the lamb and wanted to devour him. Weekly Highlights. But the book of Revelation shares that God’s power is expressed in a slain lamb and not a roaring lion. But even in spite of that, I think what Paul was trying to get at is that we should make the ethical and loving choices, choices that honor each other as to not “trip up your brother.” “Let’s not argue about these things but do what it takes so that your brother feels loved by you.” Today, making the ethical and loving choices may look much different than it did then in regards to the same subject matter, because today, food for example is not raised or delivered in the same way it was then, and most certainly is not done in an ethical or loving way. THE BABY BUFFALO WAS LOST FROM THE HERD, WHICH IS NOT UNCOMMON. For a good read about Christ and consumerism (there are several contributors to this literary work, of which Craig Bartholomew, Thorsten Moritz, Gordon Wenham are three, and I find this work in keeping with Greg’s theology): http://www.reformationalpublishingproject.com/pdf_books/Scanned_Books_PDF/ChristandConsumerism.pdf. It turns out, God isn’t the lion and the lamb, he is the lamb vs. the lion. It’s always about our behavior and whether what we do or what we are partaking in looks like Christ or not. Not, at least, according to game theory. Dave, I am glad we can discuss it too, thank you! Here’s a link: http://www.relevantmagazine.com/god/church/features/1344-from-the-mag-7-big-questions. While the meal was being prepared, Peter had a vision. lamb or bull for the forgiveness of sins. “Do not say anything is not pure that God has made ‘clean,’” it said. The word Apocalypse comes from apocalyptic literature, but over time, the meaning of apocalypse has changed and come to meant more about the end of the world than a revealing. 10 He became hungry. The Lion and the Lamb surely refer to Christ, with the Lamb referring to His first coming and His death and the Lion referring to His second coming and His sovereign judgment of the world. He chose the multiplication and consumption of fish to illustrate certain spiritual truths – if he had wanted to point out the unfortunate spiritual collapse of man in his current sinful laden condition characterized by a lust for animal flesh, then he might have intentionally fed the five thousand with just bread or more potently and symbolically eaten just grapes or fruit in front of his disciples instead as an object lesson, but he didn’t. Sermon Roundtable Discussion It wasn’t really about food. Housing Assistance I believe more than ever, we are being called to wake up to what is happening all around us in our world today, to be aware of the origins of what we are buying, how it is made, produced, etc. We put the gospel message in jeopardy when we do not understand consumerism. Myself and another Christian animal welfarist started a blog in hopes of bringing the message of Christ to animal welfare, as well as the message of animal welfare to the faith community. It has transformed my life in some really radical ways. After the flood things were obviously different; why else would God have told Noah to eat meat? Farming is no longer done in a fashion that is merciful. The lion accused that the lamb was disturbing him by mudding water. By the way, Edward is the lion and Bella is the lamb. I think you’re so right about the fear thing. What Jesus actually did in that situation is irrelevant when we understand His divinity and purpose; when we realise what happened at the Fall and the dreadful effect this had upon the whole creation. As persons of faith, responsible for the welfare of the planet, each other and all living things on it, as those made in the Image of God, more than ever today, it is urgent that we know where what we buy comes from, or we end up partaking in evils we most likely would not partake in if we saw it for ourselves, and we inadvertently violate the principles of love that the gospel message is all about. Do think that in The Resurrection i.e. More than ever today, we urgently need to look at the times we live in to determine whether something is right for us to do or not, especially when it comes to food and consumerism in general. Psm 24:1, ‘The earth is the Lord’s and all that is in it.’ We should take care of it, not exploit it, not cause harm or fear, pain or suffering to His creation. I will not!” Peter replied. He is both the conquering Lion of the tribe of Judah and the Lamb who was slain. What are your thoughts on Luke 24:41-43? Whether they are faithful or not is their own master’s concern. It’s all nonstop bare fisted brawl where often you get battered as badly as the guy you’re pummeling. You either get stuff done or you’re road kill and it can happen in a New York minute. Symbolically, Jesus is the Lion from the tribe of Judah, the descendant of King David. As a result, he was about how to accomplish his evil design. They also give thanks to God. I am a Christian who is not perfect which no one is perfect. We just show up at the shop or the grocers and buy it. We don’t know whether Jesus ate the fish Himself on that occasion, but we are told that He did eat fish with His disciples after the Resurrection in order to confirm that He had risen in the flesh. How many lions does it take to kill a lamb? Now, none of this is being said in any way shape or form to be argumentative or judgmental. A lion was drinking water from a brook. 111 likes. The almighty is the Lion of Judah just as aslan in the the Chronicle s of Narnia portrayed him the lamb is Christ the last sacrifice, the blood of the lamb. When it comes to meat, I do my level best to eat as little red meat as possible and go “Free-Range” and “Grass-fed” whenever I have the choice. Thank you for teaching about the misconception on the rapture. Lv 4. See, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has conquered, so that he can open the scroll and its seven seals.”. ", 1740 Van Dyke St. Peter went up on the roof to pray. …would like to add one tiny little thing about food choices. At last, he hit upon a plan. It was being let down to earth by its four corners. Missions, LEARN Not, at least, according to game theory. e.g., Dan. I am very aware that Revelation has symbolic meaning and I do not look to the book in an effort to connect it to modern events/conspiracy theories. 180 Instances - Page 6 of 6 - Sort by Book Order Expand or Limit Your Search Results: All KJV books Old Testament only New Testament only Apocrypha only (?) These same creatures or very similar ones, pop up in Ezekiel’s, as well as Isaiah’s visions with slight variations. God bless your day, may His hand be upon you; WHC, you and all the leadership are in my prayers daily. “In other words, Genesis 9:3 is not unlike God’s reluctant concessions of divorce (Matt 19:8), or the establishment of monarchy in Israel (1Sam 8). This also anticipates his second coming as the Lion. It was a lion David killed it was the Lion that took his sheep. 7 He went and took the scroll from the right hand of the one who was seated on the throne. Lions for Lambs is a 2007 American war drama film directed by Robert Redford about the connection between a platoon of United States soldiers in Afghanistan, a U.S. senator, a reporter, and a California college professor. 1 decade ago. As the lion he is the judge who will punish his enemies. The scriptural references I cited above – Acts 10:9-16, Romans 14:1-16, Luke 24:41-43 & John 21:1-14 were not thrown together to be mockish or challenging to your passionate and strong convictions about the abuse and hyper-commodification animals in todays world. It is a much bigger subject than that, it is all about our character in handling what the Lord has made and in presenting Christ to the world in all we do, including in our food choices! Others think all days are the same. I haven’t forgotten that God is the same yesterday, today & tomorrow (forever), and I do not view it as a contradiction of character for God to punish sin as He is holy. I heard once that God is the perfect balance of love and justice, and that people tend to err one direction or the other. Then the lion retorted that perhaps his father was mudding water for him in the last year. One example: 2 Timothy 2:17-18. But this doesn’t necessarily mean we should eat fish (or any other invertebrate given they are raised/treated in an un-biblical manner) in today’s world. But others eat only vegetables because their faith is weak. Romans 14:1-6 Slides When this truth is neglected or forgotten, trouble follows swiftly. This documentary was so hard to watch that i couldn’t even get half way through it. Good luck with the lamb option. Lamb & Lion Ministries was established for the purpose of proclaiming the soon return of Jesus. God has accepted them. I think that people who lean more toward justice are more likely to believe the “traditional” rapture and end times scenario, and people who lean more toward love are going to find this “modern” (for lack of better words to describe it, don’t take offense at my choice of wording) interpretation that Greg has presented here. A lion is a meat eater, and a lamb is peaceful and doesnt eat meat. What can this mean, It is driving me crazy. The Lion and the Lamb are descriptions of two aspects of the nature of Christ. The Sabbath includes animals, and every 7 years the land is supposed to rest!! In praying ‘Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven’ means we are to live now in as much as is within our power in ways that reflect that peaceable kingdom when all will be restored to perfect shalom again. I can recall looking at the procession as there was a light blue banner being held. 180 Instances - Page 3 of 6 - Sort by Book Order Expand or Limit Your Search Results: All KJV books Old Testament only New Testament only Apocrypha only (?) There is only one perfect Human and perfect Lord and that is Jesus Christ. People want God to be a roaring lion that devours our enemies. Sermon Discussion Groups It’s a massively important and foreboding vision, however it’s also vital to remember that it’s physical parallel on earth was represented by the “Mercy Seat” that was atop the Ark of the Covenant where the blood was sprinkled by the priest as a substitutionary animal sacrifice – i.e. II. The passage declares that out of the twelve tribe’s of Israel the one to receive authority would be from the tribe of Judah. This seems to be one of those times. Job Skills Program I looked and saw a lion and looked again and saw a sheep (not a lamb but a more so a ram). Christ is of course, our substitute and that’s why it says in Hebrews 9:12 –, “But by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.”, That’s why the blood soaked Lamb is the only one worthy to open those seals on The Scroll. Email Newsletter Each person should be absolutely sure in his own mind. 6 Those who think one day is special do it to honor the Lord. Lamb & Lion Ministries was established for the purpose of proclaiming the soon return of Jesus. Jesus is also the killed lamb because of his sacrifice. Genesis 49:9 uses the analogy of a lion’s cub. Now these days I am coming closer to Christianity. High quality Lion And Lamb gifts and merchandise. Also, the angel with the flaming sword blocking mans entrance back into “Eden” is also considered to be a Cherubim by some scholars. 0 0. There are those circles that believe Jesus was a vegetarian despite what we read in scripture; there are those that believe what was meant by “meat” in scripture was a word for “food” “or sustenance” not meaning animal flesh. Other On-Site Churches, SERMONS Either way, it’s led to a frightening milieu artistic representations over the years. In order for God to be just and holy, He has to give punishment where punishment is due. 12 It had all kinds of four-footed animals in it. But pretty much it means, that the lion should be eating the lamb instead of falling in love with it. Women's Book Club Scripture tells us again and again that we are to be merciful and kind to animals, it is everywhere in scripture. Support Groups, ON-SITE PARTNERSHIPS These two creatures are used to illustrate something about the nature of Jesus Christ.